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	<title>Comments on: NVIDIA quietly fixes Stereo 3D Vision in newest drivers</title>
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		<title>By: h4x</title>
		<link>http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/08/22/nvidia-quietly-fixes-stereo-3d-vision-in-newest-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>h4x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update your blog, 16 1 11 9.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob Storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always Rafael, you never cease to amaze me. Give me a ring when you get a few free mins. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always Rafael, you never cease to amaze me. Give me a ring when you get a few free mins. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/08/22/nvidia-quietly-fixes-stereo-3d-vision-in-newest-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-4512</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen

I am a regular on this blog. It&#039;s on my RSS list ;)

It was a tongue in cheek comment :P 

;)

Regards,
&quot;Anon&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen</p>
<p>I am a regular on this blog. It&#8217;s on my RSS list ;)</p>
<p>It was a tongue in cheek comment :P </p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
&#8220;Anon&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit aside, it&#039;d also be nice if change logs did a better job of telling users/customers about what&#039;s changed.

a) It lets them know they can install the update (or a later version) to fix the problem if they had it (and it was a big problem for some people).

b) It tells people about the issues they&#039;ll have to deal with if they go back to an older driver for some reason (which happens a fair amount; e.g. when people discover certain things look/perform/work poorly with a new driver but were okay with an older one).

There is a balance to strike between tedious minutiae and a total lack of detail, but this bug was enough of an issue that the change log should&#039;ve said &quot;* Fixed handle leak in Stereo 3D Vision service&quot; or something similar.

Still, at least there is a change log. Most of the time when I update my iPod&#039;s firmware I&#039;m told the update contains:

* Bug fixes.

(Even when it contains new features...)

OTOH, NVidia didn&#039;t completely fix the issue with the Stereo 3D Vision service... namely why the hell is it set to auto-start on my machine when I do not have the hardware to use it? At least it can be stopped and set to manual. Shame we have to remember to do so every time we update the drivers to avoid wasting resources &amp; boot time on something we&#039;ll never use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit aside, it&#8217;d also be nice if change logs did a better job of telling users/customers about what&#8217;s changed.</p>
<p>a) It lets them know they can install the update (or a later version) to fix the problem if they had it (and it was a big problem for some people).</p>
<p>b) It tells people about the issues they&#8217;ll have to deal with if they go back to an older driver for some reason (which happens a fair amount; e.g. when people discover certain things look/perform/work poorly with a new driver but were okay with an older one).</p>
<p>There is a balance to strike between tedious minutiae and a total lack of detail, but this bug was enough of an issue that the change log should&#8217;ve said &#8220;* Fixed handle leak in Stereo 3D Vision service&#8221; or something similar.</p>
<p>Still, at least there is a change log. Most of the time when I update my iPod&#8217;s firmware I&#8217;m told the update contains:</p>
<p>* Bug fixes.</p>
<p>(Even when it contains new features&#8230;)</p>
<p>OTOH, NVidia didn&#8217;t completely fix the issue with the Stereo 3D Vision service&#8230; namely why the hell is it set to auto-start on my machine when I do not have the hardware to use it? At least it can be stopped and set to manual. Shame we have to remember to do so every time we update the drivers to avoid wasting resources &amp; boot time on something we&#8217;ll never use.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon: If you&#039;re a regular on this blog, you should know Raf doesn&#039;t do what he does in expectation of anything outside of perhaps a fix - and at that rate, credit where credit is due is only the decent thing to do. Unfortunately, saving face is more important than decency to many companies in many cases.

@Raf: That sucks, man. On one hand, you called them out on their issue but they could have been nice enough to somehow acknowledge what you did; even a simple, &quot;thank you&quot; email would&#039;ve been much better than a sweep under the rug. I&#039;m sure they would just brush it off as having already been a, &quot;to-do&quot; bug on their list prior to you posting about it, anyway.

Speaking in general now, I&#039;m still baffled by how many people call these two companies with their technology, &quot;crap.&quot; Sure, sometimes they put out some really shoddy drivers, but it&#039;s going to happen. Likewise, when they develop their technology, they can&#039;t accompany for EVERY SINGLE scenario! It&#039;s no different with Windows or any other piece of hardware/software that can be ran under just about any given environment. Personally, I understand it from that perspective and in the long run, I&#039;d rather have some issues to bitch about to have them eventually fix than to not have the technology at all. If you think you can do better or (better yet) help everyone else out as well as yourself, by all means! Rafael did.

With that said, while I personally understand the process of development and the fact that these people can&#039;t accomodate every single thing with every single release, what I DO NOT agree with is the very thing done (or not done, as the case may be) to Rafael here on the part of NVIDIA. It may seem trivial and of course it was Rafael&#039;s decision to dig as deep as he did and post the information, but not even so much as a nod from NVIDIA... that&#039;s just plain crappy. No other way to put it.

-Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon: If you&#8217;re a regular on this blog, you should know Raf doesn&#8217;t do what he does in expectation of anything outside of perhaps a fix &#8211; and at that rate, credit where credit is due is only the decent thing to do. Unfortunately, saving face is more important than decency to many companies in many cases.</p>
<p>@Raf: That sucks, man. On one hand, you called them out on their issue but they could have been nice enough to somehow acknowledge what you did; even a simple, &#8220;thank you&#8221; email would&#8217;ve been much better than a sweep under the rug. I&#8217;m sure they would just brush it off as having already been a, &#8220;to-do&#8221; bug on their list prior to you posting about it, anyway.</p>
<p>Speaking in general now, I&#8217;m still baffled by how many people call these two companies with their technology, &#8220;crap.&#8221; Sure, sometimes they put out some really shoddy drivers, but it&#8217;s going to happen. Likewise, when they develop their technology, they can&#8217;t accompany for EVERY SINGLE scenario! It&#8217;s no different with Windows or any other piece of hardware/software that can be ran under just about any given environment. Personally, I understand it from that perspective and in the long run, I&#8217;d rather have some issues to bitch about to have them eventually fix than to not have the technology at all. If you think you can do better or (better yet) help everyone else out as well as yourself, by all means! Rafael did.</p>
<p>With that said, while I personally understand the process of development and the fact that these people can&#8217;t accomodate every single thing with every single release, what I DO NOT agree with is the very thing done (or not done, as the case may be) to Rafael here on the part of NVIDIA. It may seem trivial and of course it was Rafael&#8217;s decision to dig as deep as he did and post the information, but not even so much as a nod from NVIDIA&#8230; that&#8217;s just plain crappy. No other way to put it.</p>
<p>-Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: ThunderRiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThunderRiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not surprised. I have experience driver issue with every single nVidia card that I own (both for desktop &amp; laptop), and yet, I experience no issues with ATI (except that Radeon 7500 does not support Aero).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not surprised. I have experience driver issue with every single nVidia card that I own (both for desktop &amp; laptop), and yet, I experience no issues with ATI (except that Radeon 7500 does not support Aero).</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
		<link>http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/08/22/nvidia-quietly-fixes-stereo-3d-vision-in-newest-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-4501</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;re in the minority 0.1% of users that see any value in 3D glasses. I think this bug, funny enough, only surfaces when 3D glasses are not present as the leak is in their &quot;search for 3D glasses&quot; code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;re in the minority 0.1% of users that see any value in 3D glasses. I think this bug, funny enough, only surfaces when 3D glasses are not present as the leak is in their &#8220;search for 3D glasses&#8221; code.</p>
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		<title>By: MASTAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MASTAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; AMD’s fastest GPU – the ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 – continues to be unaffected by this issue.
Well, yes, continues to be lacking of decent stereo technology.

BTW for some unknown reason this bug doesn&#039;t show up on my computer with 190.38. Which is good, because I have and use 3D Vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; AMD’s fastest GPU – the ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 – continues to be unaffected by this issue.<br />
Well, yes, continues to be lacking of decent stereo technology.</p>
<p>BTW for some unknown reason this bug doesn&#8217;t show up on my computer with 190.38. Which is good, because I have and use 3D Vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like somebody wanted some swag... :p

Doe blame ya ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like somebody wanted some swag&#8230; :p</p>
<p>Doe blame ya ;)</p>
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		<title>By: pizzaboy192</title>
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		<dc:creator>pizzaboy192</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you are right about ATI drivers too... After my previous &quot;comment&quot; I updated from 9.3 for Win7 to 9.8 and now Catalyst won&#039;t load =( (plus it crashed twice and I had to disable the HDMI Audio install to keep it from trashing my screens)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you are right about ATI drivers too&#8230; After my previous &#8220;comment&#8221; I updated from 9.3 for Win7 to 9.8 and now Catalyst won&#8217;t load =( (plus it crashed twice and I had to disable the HDMI Audio install to keep it from trashing my screens)</p>
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		<title>By: AngryTechnician</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngryTechnician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Dan, they are both as bad as each other. Just last Friday a new ATI driver on my work rig fixed an ongoing Catalyst Control Panel crash and multi-monitor issue I&#039;d been having, with no mention of either in the release notes.

Now to see how long it takes nVidia to sort out the localised version - English (UK) is still on 192.38.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Dan, they are both as bad as each other. Just last Friday a new ATI driver on my work rig fixed an ongoing Catalyst Control Panel crash and multi-monitor issue I&#8217;d been having, with no mention of either in the release notes.</p>
<p>Now to see how long it takes nVidia to sort out the localised version &#8211; English (UK) is still on 192.38.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww that ATI reference was just mean.  Both companies have @#$^y software AFAIK, so spread the hate around.  nVidia I know from experience (just had two BSoDs today with supposedly WHQL drivers) and I&#039;ve also heard some negative things about ATI drivers as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww that ATI reference was just mean.  Both companies have @#$^y software AFAIK, so spread the hate around.  nVidia I know from experience (just had two BSoDs today with supposedly WHQL drivers) and I&#8217;ve also heard some negative things about ATI drivers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: pizzaboy192</title>
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		<dc:creator>pizzaboy192</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love it when people credit ya.. huh?
*looks at the ATI card in own machine and laughs to self*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love it when people credit ya.. huh?<br />
*looks at the ATI card in own machine and laughs to self*</p>
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