Comments on: Windows 7 Error Recovery is a punch in the nuts for techies http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/ Not your usual Microsoft enthusiast blog. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:11:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: чимчим http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-3657 чимчим Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-3657 Просто отлично! На самом деле любопытно написано. :) Просто отлично! На самом деле любопытно написано. :)

]]> By: Chris http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 Chris Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-2212 it's all like it wasd before.. my w7 also crashed - when starting up press Space Bar or Hit F8 both of them will bring up the Startmenu with the regular boot choices... the third way to get in to safe mode just hit and hold the CTRL key while booting up.. this has never changed on MS Windows Systems hth it’s all like it wasd before.. my w7 also crashed – when starting up press Space Bar or Hit F8
both of them will bring up the Startmenu with the regular boot choices…

the third way to get in to safe mode just hit and hold the CTRL key while booting up..

this has never changed on MS Windows Systems

hth

]]> By: lildudespider http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-2181 lildudespider Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-2181 I agree with what rafael said, as i have started to use windows 7 myself, the operationg system is made to be as simple as possible for every user however some useres liek rafael liek to contro levery aspect of their operatign system, to fix this you shouldent post on your website, you should forward the option directly to microsoft. the operating system is still in beta for an estimated half year, and changes can still be made, you can be the difference I agree with what rafael said, as i have started to use windows 7 myself, the operationg system is made to be as simple as possible for every user

however some useres liek rafael liek to contro levery aspect of their operatign system, to fix this you shouldent post on your website, you should forward the option directly to microsoft. the operating system is still in beta for an estimated half year, and changes can still be made, you can be the difference

]]> By: Startup Repair in Windows 7 ~ IT Professionals http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-2121 Startup Repair in Windows 7 ~ IT Professionals Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-2121 [...] to this take on the repair tool, one user is finding it to be more of a hindrance than a help. Apparently knowing how to get to [...] [...] to this take on the repair tool, one user is finding it to be more of a hindrance than a help. Apparently knowing how to get to [...]

 ]]> By: akash3656 http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1982 akash3656 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1982 RAFEEL GO HERE: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/12/11/press-space-bar-to-quick-access-windows-boot-manager/ I haven't tested this out because I'm having a windows 7 6956 WITHOUT the recovery tool. IMO, I think the recovery tool is good tool Microsoft made for average computer people(read: noobs) BTW, these "recovery tools" came with vista on some OEMs like Dell. LIKE I SAID I DID NOT TEST THIS OUT.... RAFEEL GO HERE: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/12/11/press-space-bar-to-quick-access-windows-boot-manager/

I haven’t tested this out because I’m having a windows 7 6956 WITHOUT the recovery tool.
IMO, I think the recovery tool is good tool Microsoft made for average computer people(read: noobs)
BTW, these “recovery tools” came with vista on some OEMs like Dell.
LIKE I SAID I DID NOT TEST THIS OUT….

]]> By: Emir http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1959 Emir Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1959 Vista's fix on the bootloader overwrote 7's. Vista’s fix on the bootloader overwrote 7’s.

]]> By: Emir http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1958 Emir Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1958 My bootloader of 7 broke, so I had to place my Windows Vista DVD in my computer and asked it to repair the damaged bootloader. Then, I noticed that the Recovery Options were no longer available. Is there a fix for this? My bootloader of 7 broke, so I had to place my Windows Vista DVD in my computer and asked it to repair the damaged bootloader.

Then, I noticed that the Recovery Options were no longer available. Is there a fix for this?

]]> By: Edootjuh http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1901 Edootjuh Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1901 I noticed there is a recoveryenabled entry in BCDEDIT for Windows 7 entries. Could it be that if you set this to no, it won't do this? I noticed there is a recoveryenabled entry in BCDEDIT for Windows 7 entries. Could it be that if you set this to no, it won’t do this?

]]> By: Divyanshu http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1861 Divyanshu Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1861 All the best! and plz publish it here once ur done :) All the best!

and plz publish it here once ur done :)

]]> By: Nabeel http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1774 Nabeel Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1774 Where's safe mode?? Where’s safe mode??

]]> By: Neil http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1767 Neil Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1767 Neowin now has an article on the "bootscreen" of build 695X, and people are going crazy over it, they have already had over 5000 views of the article ( including two from me as well ). If this hysterya continues on the same way just imagine what will happen when and if Microsoft release a public beta of it !! Neowin now has an article on the “bootscreen” of build 695X, and people are going crazy over it, they have already had over 5000 views of the article ( including two from me as well ). If this hysterya continues on the same way just imagine what will happen when and if Microsoft release a public beta of it !!

]]> By: Thunderbuck http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1765 Thunderbuck Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1765 Wonder if Recovery Console can be installed... Wonder if Recovery Console can be installed…

]]> By: Run Windows 7 from an external USB harddisk http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1764 Run Windows 7 from an external USB harddisk Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1764 I also found several troubles when installing Windows 7 to run from an external USB drive: http://runwin7fromusb.blogspot.com I also found several troubles when installing Windows 7 to run from an external USB drive:

http://runwin7fromusb.blogspot.com

]]> By: DiDo FRGT/10 http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1762 DiDo FRGT/10 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1762 without the need* without the need*

]]> By: DiDo FRGT/10 http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1761 DiDo FRGT/10 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1761 lol! Does that last pic means what I think it means? Anyway, I think Microsoft is trying to help end users resolve their system problems with the need of an expert, hope I'm not stating the obvious, though I'm sure they'll bring back the other options in future versions. btw, I'm using that Norton Antivirus Gaming Edition you posted eariler, surprisingly it doesn't overkill the system, though the activation messages are annoying. Just thought you should know. lol! Does that last pic means what I think it means?

Anyway, I think Microsoft is trying to help end users resolve their system problems with the need of an expert, hope I’m not stating the obvious, though I’m sure they’ll bring back the other options in future versions.

btw, I’m using that Norton Antivirus Gaming Edition you posted eariler, surprisingly it doesn’t overkill the system, though the activation messages are annoying. Just thought you should know.

]]> By: Dan http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1757 Dan Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1757 F5 might also being up the alternate boot menu. It USED to be different from F8 but I think nowadays (XP/Vista) they do the same thing. Who knows, it's worth a try though. JRB's suggestion also sounds helpful. You could also try booting from a BartPE (or a Windows PE with regedit on it), mounting the SYSTEM registry hive, and replacing the "CurrentControlSet" key with one of the "ControlSetXXX" keys (I assume lower numbers are older). I believe this is essencially what LKGC does (probably uses the most recent). F5 might also being up the alternate boot menu. It USED to be different from F8 but I think nowadays (XP/Vista) they do the same thing. Who knows, it’s worth a try though.

JRB’s suggestion also sounds helpful.

You could also try booting from a BartPE (or a Windows PE with regedit on it), mounting the SYSTEM registry hive, and replacing the “CurrentControlSet” key with one of the “ControlSetXXX” keys (I assume lower numbers are older). I believe this is essencially what LKGC does (probably uses the most recent).

]]> By: JRB http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1756 JRB Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1756 If you select "Start Windows Normally" you can press F8 and bring up the normal boot menu... Just like in vista. If you select “Start Windows Normally” you can press F8 and bring up the normal boot menu… Just like in vista.

]]> By: JonLaslow http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1755 JonLaslow Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1755 @Rafael: In Vista, the use of Startup Repair is governed by a file called 'bootstat.dat' in the %windir% directory. The only processes (that I'm aware of, anyways) that write to it are winload.exe (setting the value 'LASTBOOTSUCEEDED' to 'FALSE'), and the Service Control Manager, setting the same value to 'TRUE'. As such, if the boot process is interrupted after winload.exe is run and before SCM kicks in, the value is left at false Start Repair is called on boot (if WinRE is installed on the hard drive - if not, it's called when you try to load WinRE). If you're feeling brave, and if this file is present in Windows 7, you could attempt to deny access to the 'bootstat.dat' file and see that will prevent the value from being changed and Startup Repair from being called. No idea if it would work, but maybe something to go on in lieu of a proper workaround or an actual change by Microsoft. @Rafael: In Vista, the use of Startup Repair is governed by a file called ‘bootstat.dat’ in the %windir% directory. The only processes (that I’m aware of, anyways) that write to it are winload.exe (setting the value ‘LASTBOOTSUCEEDED’ to ‘FALSE’), and the Service Control Manager, setting the same value to ‘TRUE’. As such, if the boot process is interrupted after winload.exe is run and before SCM kicks in, the value is left at false Start Repair is called on boot (if WinRE is installed on the hard drive – if not, it’s called when you try to load WinRE).

If you’re feeling brave, and if this file is present in Windows 7, you could attempt to deny access to the ‘bootstat.dat’ file and see that will prevent the value from being changed and Startup Repair from being called. No idea if it would work, but maybe something to go on in lieu of a proper workaround or an actual change by Microsoft.

]]> By: Rafael http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1752 Rafael Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1752 @All: As JonLaslow pointed out, the point of my post was to highlight the fact I had *no choice* but to use the wizard, which forced me to use System Restore, which in the real world, could cause data loss. Maybe I should have blogged about how when your machine crashes, you can't even get into safe mode...? @All: As JonLaslow pointed out, the point of my post was to highlight the fact I had *no choice* but to use the wizard, which forced me to use System Restore, which in the real world, could cause data loss. Maybe I should have blogged about how when your machine crashes, you can’t even get into safe mode…?

]]> By: JonLaslow http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1746 JonLaslow Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1746 @AndyB: It would be nice if they left the screen as-is, however still provided the option to "Press F8 to return to the Startup Options menu", or some such thing in the bottom gray bar. Normal users are still defaulted to the best option for them, but power users can still play around with the various other 'legacy' options that we all know and (mostly) love. @AndyB: It would be nice if they left the screen as-is, however still provided the option to “Press F8 to return to the Startup Options menu”, or some such thing in the bottom gray bar. Normal users are still defaulted to the best option for them, but power users can still play around with the various other ‘legacy’ options that we all know and (mostly) love.

]]> By: AndyB http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1742 AndyB Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1742 Could you imagine being an end-user and having to choose between... Your System Failed to start-up would you like to... "Go back to Last Known Good Configuration" OR "System Restore"? I've been programming for 12+ years and even I wouldn't know which one to use i given the choice (until I saw Bryant's comment) I guess this goes back to the problem with Simple/Normal Users vs. Advanced Power Users...someday Joel will make a blog about how there are 10 different ways to repair Windows (like his post on sleep vs. hibernate vs. hybrid sleep vs. shut off) and people like me don't see what the problem is with more options (as long as there is some HELPful Description) Could you imagine being an end-user and having to choose between…

Your System Failed to start-up would you like to…
“Go back to Last Known Good Configuration” OR “System Restore”?

I’ve been programming for 12+ years and even I wouldn’t know which one to use i given the choice (until I saw Bryant’s comment)

I guess this goes back to the problem with Simple/Normal Users vs. Advanced Power Users…someday Joel will make a blog about how there are 10 different ways to repair Windows (like his post on sleep vs. hibernate vs. hybrid sleep vs. shut off) and people like me don’t see what the problem is with more options (as long as there is some HELPful Description)

]]> By: Bryant http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1740 Bryant Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1740 Everyone who just read JJ's above comment, please scrub your brains clean. Last Known Good Configuration reverts only the current control set to a previous control set (a backup retained whenever a change is made to the control set). What is a control set? Basically the relevant hardware/driver and services information needed to get Windows up and running. System Restore, on the other hand, looks at many other things in addition to just the control sets, including which applications are installed. This also means that if a person reverts to an older system restore point, some additional things may be lost which would have otherwise been preserved had the LKGC option existed. Everyone who just read JJ’s above comment, please scrub your brains clean.

Last Known Good Configuration reverts only the current control set to a previous control set (a backup retained whenever a change is made to the control set).

What is a control set? Basically the relevant hardware/driver and services information needed to get Windows up and running.

System Restore, on the other hand, looks at many other things in addition to just the control sets, including which applications are installed. This also means that if a person reverts to an older system restore point, some additional things may be lost which would have otherwise been preserved had the LKGC option existed.

]]> By: JJ http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1739 JJ Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1739 LKGC works along the same lines as System Restore, except that System Restore includes multiple snapshots. Backups of startup files are saved, along with critical registry entries and such. It's practically the same, and yet you sit there and chew about it even after it fixed your computer. LKGC works along the same lines as System Restore, except that System Restore includes multiple snapshots. Backups of startup files are saved, along with critical registry entries and such. It’s practically the same, and yet you sit there and chew about it even after it fixed your computer.

]]> By: wisher http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1737 wisher Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1737 Wow, I am not the one playing with my PC at classes :-) However you should consider that this is still a pre beta software. Things should be fixed. You could tell microsoft the error you encuntered to get it fixed in the definitive version. Wow, I am not the one playing with my PC at classes :-)
However you should consider that this is still a pre beta software. Things should be fixed. You could tell microsoft the error you encuntered to get it fixed in the definitive version.

]]> By: anonymuos http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/12/02/windows-7-error-recovery-is-a-punch-in-the-nuts-for-techies/comment-page-1/#comment-1736 anonymuos Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://www.withinwindows.com/?p=365#comment-1736 Problem is it also repairs Vista installations. Now I had a dual boot setup and was switching between 2 primary partitions (making only 1 active at a time), one with Vista and other with Windows 7. But because it also "repaired" the Vista partition when it wasn't active, things got screwed up and now Vista doesn't work properly. I've tried repairing Vista from the Vista DVD, manually creating BCD entries, tried everything with both partitions active one at a time. Problem is it also repairs Vista installations. Now I had a dual boot setup and was switching between 2 primary partitions (making only 1 active at a time), one with Vista and other with Windows 7. But because it also “repaired” the Vista partition when it wasn’t active, things got screwed up and now Vista doesn’t work properly. I’ve tried repairing Vista from the Vista DVD, manually creating BCD entries, tried everything with both partitions active one at a time.

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